Quote for Thought – 2

Bismillahi Ar Rahmaan Ar Raheem

9. The Prophet () said.

“The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried”

[al Mishkāt (5302) – Sahīh Jāmi’ us Saghīr (7957) and Sahīh Sunan at Tirmidhī (2043) of Imām al Albānī]

10. “At one point, for example, in a colorful display of his contempt for Rationalists who reject isolated (ahād) hadith on the argument that they do not yield certainty, and then adduce in their place rational arguments that are also far from certain, the Hanbalite Ibn Qudāma (d. 620 AH) exclaims:

‘Their case is like a blind man urinating on a roof, facing the people with his pudendum, and supposing that no one sees him, since he himself is incapable of seeing his own person'”

[George Makdisi, Ibn Qudāma’s Censure of Speculative Theology]

11.George W. Bush:

It is unacceptable to think!

More on this here!

12. “Rationalists often invoke tradition (including haīth and tracing the provenance of their tradition back to the Salaf) but they are hostile toward the authority claimed by Traditionalists for the latter’s construction of that tradition. Meanwhile, Rationalists writings reflect a clear and sustained recognition of the authority of Aristotelian-Neoplatonic tradition, inncluding the propriety of following it by taqlīd. Traditionalists, on the other hand, use reason – even aspects of Aristotelian reason – but they do not recognize the tradition of Aristotelian reason as an ultimate authority. Moreover, they are appalled by the Rationalists’ selective acceptance and rejection of what they (Traditionalists) identify as ‘Islamic’ tradition.”

[Dr. Abdul Hakim Jackson, On the Boundaries of Theological Tolerance in Islam]

13. Ayyoob as Sakhtiyānī who said:

“Indeed from the well-being of a youth or a non-Arab is that Allāh should guide them to a scholar from the companions of the Sunnah.”

14. Muhammad ibn an-Nadr said :

“The greatest start of Knowledge is to listen and remain silent, then to memorise it, then to act upon it, then to spread it.”

15. al Fudayl ibn ‘Iyād said:



“Whoever is saddened by lonliness and feels tranquil around the people, is not safe from Riyā‘”

[Reported by ad Dhahabī in as Siyār 8/436]

16. Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī (d. 204 AH) said:

“That a servant meets Allāh with every sin except Shirk is better than meeting Him upon any of the innovated beliefs.”

[Reported by Al Baihaqī in Al-I’tiqād].


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6 Responses to “Quote for Thought – 2”

  1. 1 Adnan Lakhani October 29, 2006 at 12:31 am


    love the Dr. Jackson quote!
    forgot about it

    i love lists like this


  2. 2 danishalhyderabadee October 29, 2006 at 1:06 am

    Walaykum As Salām Wa Rahamtullāh

    lol…hahha yea for sure….the Rationalists often have their calls and slogans of “There is no taqlīd in Aqīdah…blah..blah blah…” but in reality they do taqlīd in aqīdah, they have do taqlīd in the principles of aqīdah without questioning them. Thus they are inable to answer many question when you get to the root of the issue, like what proof do you have that bodies are composed of substances and what determines what a body is, and why should all bodies necessitate accident, etc. etc. Also their principles are so narrow that they cant encompass many issues of our aqīdah like the soul. Issues like the soul is knowledge Allāh has reserved for Himself and He gives it to who He Wills. Allāh’s Attributes and Actions as well, we know they are Allāh’s Attributes and Actions but the reality and nature fo them are with Allāh alone.

    I compiled this one almost 3-4 weeks back but never got aroudn to posting it. If you like this, then you are going to love the next one….inshā’Allāh.

  3. 3 Adnan Lakhani October 29, 2006 at 1:26 am

    walaikumasalaam …

    [i should be concentrating on something else but a little indulgence is necessary here sometims as u will learn soon inshaAllah]

    one thing that really gets underneath my skin is the use of the word “rationalist”

    i’m a huge believer in words and their connotation having a large influence on the subconcious and perception at large

    in discussion of these different groups of aqeedah, the name “rationalist” should not be applied as it is a misnomer since many of their conclusions and methodology are not exactly “rational”

    i know its a minor point but it makes it sound like the traditionalists do not employ reason and are some dumb-ignorant mullahs who cant understand philosophy and such …

    if u think of a better name, let me know so we can start using and try to change the discourse in order to better represent reality.

  4. 4 sleeplesslonging October 29, 2006 at 2:19 am

    some interesting quotes…and btw I got a 2 weeks ban from IN lol, but I have no idea why!!!

  5. 5 danishalhyderabadee October 29, 2006 at 2:39 am

    [lol….i should have been concentratin gon other stuff as well, but as things go, i think im dropping my clac 3 class, it doesnt even amtter anyway, lol, i should be more optimistic]

    well in intellectual discourse it might not be looked upon as great, but lookign at it islamically, when one says rationalist, what come sto mind – Mutazila. And whoever is labelled rationalist they are grouped with the Mutazila, which is a very negative connotation.

    but i get your point, if we decide to use soemthing else, i woudl use Aristoteleanist or Neoplatonist, now that gives it a proper connotation, but is there an equivalent in arabic vocab for such words, not that it matters. Aristoteleanist woudlnt exactly give a proper picture for them but it is definitely a shared characteristic in all of the rationalists. Arriving at truth through Aristotelean principle. What do you think??

    As opposed to other approach of the other groups that try to appraoach truth through spiritual experience.

    Only the traditionalists approach truth through the revelation, and submit to it, whiel the rest are selctive.

  6. 6 danishalhyderabadee October 29, 2006 at 2:40 am

    Ayy…Sleeplesslonging…..dude why did they ban you, i say we do soemthign about this…..get on crescentyouth forums….and email me …..ill add you to the brothers section….lol….you will find pendemeainkhujli, amru, and maybe even FARAZ there…lol

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Fiqh As Sawm

Islamic Rulings Surrounding Ramadhan and Fasting. Based on “Manar As Sabeel Fi Sharh Ad Daleel” Of Shaykh Ibraheem ibn Duwaiyan (d. 1353 AH) as explained by Br. Salim Morgan. Transcribed and Edited By Ibn Al Hyderabadee

Prologue Introduction

Chapter 1: Fasting in Ramadhaan
1. A pillar of Islam 2. Obligation of Fasting 3. Sighting of the Moon for start of Ramadhaan 4. One reliable witness' presence is sufficient 5. Conditions that make Ramadhan Obligatory for an Individual 6. Expiation for the inability to fast due to age or illness 7. Requirements of a valid fast 8. Obligations to fulfill during fasting 9. Recommended acts of fasting

Chapter 2: Permissions and Prohibitions

1. Impermissible to break fast during Ramadhan 2. Prohibited to fast for a woman in her menstrual or post-partum bleedin 3. Obligatory to break it when it is required to save a person’s life 4. Recommended to break fast for one who is ill and fears harm from fasting. 5. Recommended to break fast when one is traveling 6. Permissible for one to break fast who begins a journey while fasting 7. Permissible for a pregnant or nursing (breast feeding) woman 8. Change of condition of a person doesn’t obligate one to refrain from eating and drinking the rest of the day. 9. Prohibited to fast a voluntary fast instead of an obligatory one.

Chapter 3: That which Invalidates Your Fast

1. Intentional Intake of anything into the abdomen 2. Intention to break fast 3. Fluctuating Intention to fast 4. Vomiting intentionally 5. Menstruation or Post Partum Bleeding 6. Masturbation 7. Marital Relations 8. Cupping for both parties 9. Death 10. Apostasy 11. Above are Exempted in some cases

Chapter 4: Repayment
1. Missing a day of fast in Ramadhan
2. When does one make up a missed fast
3. If missed fast are not made up until few dats before next Ramadhan
4. Missed fasts first or voluntary?

Chapter 5: Recommended, Disliked, and Impermissible Days of Fasting
1. Recommended Every Other Day Sawn Dawood
2. The three white days of every Islamic month
3. Six days of Shawwaal
4. Month of Muharram and the 10th
5. Ten days of Dhil Hijja and that of Arafat
6. Disliking of the month of Rajab
7. Disliking of the day of Friday
8. Disliking of the 30th of Shabaan
9. Impermissibility of fasting on the two Eids
10. Completing of a voluntary fast is not Wajib



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